No.47 - January 2010

Renewal of Antique Handgun Collectors Licences (AHCL)

In early December of 2009 Licensing Services Division (LSD) sent out renewal licences for certain AHCLs. Although the standard collectors licence period is 5 years it would appear that some people ether opted for, or were given, a 3 year licence when the AHCL was introduced in 2007. It is these three year AHCLs which are now up for renewal.

However, if you currently also hold either a Category 1 or Category 2 Collectors Licence, LSD will, we expect, have contacted you to ask whether, instead of renewing your AHCL, you wanted to “transfer” the firearms held under it to your current Category 1 or Category 2 Collectors Licence and not renew your AHCL.

This became possible as a result of the Guild’s lobbying in 2007-8. As a result of this the Act was changed so that Category 1 or Category 2 Collectors Licences, renewed or issued after the date the amendments came into force, could include not only the category applied for but also the lower category or categories of collectors licence too.

Accordingly, a Category 1 Collectors Licence could include AHCL handguns and a Category 2 Collectors Licence could include both Category 1 Collectors Firearms and also AHCL handguns.

So if people have an AHCL and a current Category 1 or a Category 2 Collectors Licence you may consider you do not need to renew the AHCL, subject as mentioned below. However you will need to tell LSD and ask for your AHCL handguns to be transferred to your Category 1 (or Category 2) Collectors Licence. (You might want to check that they actually do it!)

Currently pistols only held under an AHCL are 1) not subject to display permits, 2) are allowed slightly lower security and, 3) allow investment as a reason for having them on an AHCL.

However if the AHCL is not renewed and the AHCL pistols are, as mentioned above, transferred to a Category 1 Collectors Licence, (or a Category 2 if that is the highest licence held) then those special conditions are lost for AHCL pistols. (It may even be the case that they are lost anyway, if a Category 1 or Category 2 Collectors Licence which covers them is also held).

When the current AHCL renewals first started being sent out the Guild approached LSD and subsequently LSD have, we believe, sent out a letter to all those who received renewals explaining these details - if you have further questions then contact the Guild on (9584 2907) or LSD.

The Guild will also be meeting LSD later this month to check we all have the same understanding about these matters, and to talk about registration of handguns held under AHCL licences.

Monday Themes for 2010

For the first 5 meetings of 2010 the following themes are announced –

  • 25th January – Buy and Sell Night, and General Displays.
  • 22nd February – Cannons, and Large Bore Guns and Rifles.
  • 29th March - Wild West Night, Colts, Winchesters etc. - whatever is Wild West.
  • 26th April – Semi-automatic Pistols
  • 31st May - Engraved Firearms and Weapons.

    Monday Night Displays

    We encourage those members who are individually named in the Guild’s Current Display Permit (24th July 2009 to 17th July 2014) (or who hold their own applicable display permit) to take the opportunity to make use of it. It covers all the firearms held on the Collectors Licence(s) the member listed. We set out the Guild’s Display Permit conditions below.

    Members who have items registered to an Antique Handgun Collectors Licence do not need a permit to display these, so to increase the variety at our Monday nights why not bring some of them along.

    Collectors Display Permits do not apply to items held under A & B licences. However, such items must not be possessed, carried or used other than in accordance with any licence conditions and the Firearms Act.

    Display Permits are not required for displays of Exempt Firearms, such as pre 1900 manufactured single barrelled muzzle-loading pistols, or pre 1900 manufactured longarms (which are either muzzle-loading or take ammunition which is no longer commercially available).

    Of course, Guild Displays are not limited to firearms. There is always a lot of interest in displays of militaria, edged weapons, items relating to wars or battles involving Australians and other historical matters of interest to members.

    The following are the conditions of the Guild's current club display permit:

    (permit only applies to those listed in it, all of whom have been notified individually by the Guild)

    1. This permit remains valid for the period specified whilst the Club remains an Approved Firearms Collectors Club approved by the Chief Commissioner under section 123H of the Firearms Act 1996.

    2. Each firearms collectors licence holder listed in this permit must be the holder of a current firearms collectors licence on any date on which such licence holder displays his or her firearms and/or ammunition pursuant to this permit.

    3. The club must produce this permit on demand by member of the Police Force at the relevant permit site during the display.

    4. The firearms collectors licence holders listed in this permit must ensure that:

  • all firearms and/or ammunition is under the immediate supervision and control of the collector at all times whilst the display is open to the public; and
  • all firearms and/or ammunition is secured in a manner which would prevent removal by any person other than the collector.

    5. The Club must take reasonable steps during the relevant display to ensure that the firearm collectors licence holders listed in this permit comply with condition 4 above.

    Licence Renewals and Permits To Acquire

    Just a reminder that all you need to do to have the Guild sign them as the Act requires, is send them with the information required by Registry to the Guild at PO Box 2976, Cheltenham, 3192. Enclose a stamped addressed envelope to Registry and we will sign it and send it on for you.

    Caps & Flints

    As ever your magazine is in need of articles and notes on things of interest to arms collectors – if you feel a rush of authorship coming on contact our editor Barry Thomas via the Guild Office on 9584 2907.

    Hall Set Up

    We thank all the people who help set up the tables and chairs before each meeting, and who help with packing them away after. But we can always do with a few more willing helpers to do this necessary job.

    Assistant Editor of Caps & Flints Needed

    The editorship of our magazine Caps & Flints is, like all other Guild activities, carried out by volunteers and if someone leaves or for various reasons is unable to continue in the role then sometimes finding a replacement takes time and delays can occur. In the case of our magazine this delay can mean many months often years between issues. To avoid such an occurrence the Guild is looking for a volunteer or volunteers to take on the role of Assistant Editor and work with the current Editor.

    As a modern organization we value our capacity to continue important functions of which the Editor's job is one, so it is imperative that we have a plan in place to ensure the continuity of our magazine.

    The committee therefore invites any member with an interest in desktop publishing as an adjunct to their antique arms collecting and study interests to take on the role of Assistant Editor. More than one would be ideal to more broadly distribute the considerable expertise necessary to produce Caps & Flints. The Guild will provide industry compatible software and "startup" guidance for interested members. Please give this request your earnest consideration.

    Guild and Vintagers Joint Display Night Held on 30th November.

    Once again, the Annual Combined Guild /Vintagers Display Night was a roaring success. The displays were of the highest standard and this time, among many other excellent items, were ten 8 bores! Our thanks to the many Guild and Vintagers members who participated and of course, in particular, all those who displayed. The evening concluded with an excellent supper catered for by Monica Abela.

    We mention that the Guild's website is www.armscollectorsguild.com and the Vintagers is www.Vintagers.org.au

    Museum Victoria Collection on Line

    Part of the Museum Victoria firearm collection is now on line. Go to http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/ and follow the search prompts.

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